Tough Choice: Which List First?

I started out with a single list…or the idea of a single list.  A list of pros and cons about Dave.  Well, not just about Dave, but about our relationship thus far.  Not everything neatly fits into the pro or con categories.  There are positives and negatives, likes and dislikes, and another independent category of specific complaints/observations.  Last but not least, there are the “negotiables” and the “non-negotiables.”

This list idea turned out to be more difficult than I thought.  I wonder if CremelloQuarterPony is having better luck with her list.  Probably not.  It sounds like she’s too busy having sex to make any lists.  The only list she has going right now is a mental list of all of the new “yoga” moves she’s tried.

Then shdwst (I think this is Shad), also in response to the same post, said he likes lists and is looking forward to hearing about what not to do.  I wasn’t exactly thinking about a list from that angle, but since he asked, I’ll cover that list first.  For some reason, that’s the easiest list. 

Okay, Shad, this list is for you and your compadres (since I don’t really know you, I mean men in general). 

Be confident in your intelligence.  Intelligence takes on many forms.  Think Howard Gardner.  Contrary to popular belief, intelligence and level of education are two distinctly different things.  Dumb people have graduated from Yale (well, at least one, anyway) and smart people don’t always go to college.  Be confident in your varied strengths and don’t beat yourself up over your weaknesses.  We all have them, just different combinations of them.

Be flexible.  Be ready to take charge…or not.  You might think this is a trap, but it’s not.  The key here is flexibility.  When you first start going out with a woman, go ahead and take the initiative to plan things out, like what to do and where.  Share your ideas and see what she thinks.  If she has a different idea, or was the first to suggest a specific idea, let her take the lead. 

Finally, keep in mind the theory of mindTheory of mind (ToM) is the ability to attribute mental states—beliefs, intents, desires, pretending, knowledge, etc.—to oneself and others and to understand that others have beliefs, desires and intentions that are different from ones own.  In plain English, ToM is about empathy – the ability to see something from another persons’ perspective…not as you would see it if you were in their shoes, but how they actually see it.  This relates to the issue of flexibility above. 

Bear with me for a moment, as what I am about to say has implications for “normal folk.”

My critique of ToM involves Simon Baron-Cohen‘s application of it to individuals on the Autistic Spectrum, which he tends to oversimplify as an extreme manifestation of ‘maleness.’  I think he’s missing a critical point: ToM is not always a “developmental milestone” people do or don’t reach.  There is a middle ground, where otherwise ordinary people cannot switch back and forth (from their perspective to the perspectives of others) as quickly and easily as other people.  This relates to why far more males than females are diagnosed with autism-related issues.  Women, perhaps because of hormonal and chemical differences, are more likely “evolve past” the ToM stage, but effectively get stuck in “empathizing mode,” while men are more likely to get stuck in “narcissism” mode.

Here is the meat of it:dating and relationships require an advanced ability to empathize that leaves most people in the dust.  This is a particular kind of intelligence that not all people, including (and especially) those with high “IQs” possess.   In fact, people with highly developed intelligence in subjects like math and science are probably the most inept in this area of functioning.

Are you more of an “empathizer” or a “narcissist”?  Let me guess, Shad – you are more of an empathizer.  If this is true, you get so wrapped up in the other person’s perspective that you lose track of your own perspective.  That’s how I am.  Dave is, self-admittedly, more of a narcissist.  He can be incredibly empathetic at times, but is usually self-absorbed.  There’s nothing inherently wrong with that.  The point is to be aware of your own tendencies and try to correct for them.  If Dave proves to be a keeper, he will become more aware of his inclination to get stuck in his own perspective.  He will (hopefully) learn to listen to (and remember!) what I say instead of guessing what I want, which is really easy to assume is the same thing that he wants.


7 Responses to Tough Choice: Which List First?

  1. A wonderful, insightful post. I would say that my ability to write my own list is due to a fear of falling short of the competition you have written here. Ok, also I can’t think of any cons yet for a RockStar pro/con list.

    I have been thinking about trying to explain “perfection” in the RockStar though… because our time together is dotted with moments of awkwardness so in truth it is far from perfect but the perfection lies in the lack of perfection from the get-go. There is room to improve…

    Back to your post though… It would seem that an empathizer and a narcissist would be a bad combo, or that a narcissist would be difficult in any situation because the focus is so toward inward there is no overflow to the relationship. How does that work?

  2. cindydating says:

    There is beauty in imperfection. When my mom was in nursing school, a teacher showed pictures of faces that had been “cut” in half vertically so that each half of the face was a (literal) mirror image. She said the faces all looked really weird.

    Things are perfect as they are.

    Crap, good point about an empathizer and a narcissist not being a good match. I hadn’t quite thought of it like that. I was thinking more like yin yang, but your point really hit home. Thanks for the insight. Something just went ‘click’ in my head!

  3. cindydating says:

    And, hey, this isn’t a competition. If it is, I lose…

    …would you rather be a good list maker or be breaking records for marathon sex?!!

  4. Shad says:

    I would agree that I am an empathizer in the beginning . My problem is that I become impatient and can’t seem to keep my opinions to myself. I’m gonna print this post out a read it, re read and probably keep it where I can go over it. Great info for a guy looking to jump back in the pond. Thanks.

  5. […] I finally get around to writing up my list, as per my discussions with Cindy I will have to tell the story about my last live-in boyfriend who decided he hated his job… […]

  6. LOL! Well I don’t want you to be a loser because you are way too cool for that.

    Let’s just call it a draw… in the future I will think up a list to bring me up to par with your benchmark and YOU will get some really good nookie that has the neighbors shaking their heads at you about the noise levels from the bedroom.

  7. cindydating says:

    Shad: What do you mean when you talk about your “opinions”? Your opinion on what is the best way to spend an evening…or your opinion on foreign policy?!!

    CremelloQuarterPony: Okay, fair enough. You’ll be the first to know (or actually, the second) the next time I get any serious action.

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